It blows my mind that people use eternal punishment as a way to make their children behave. I read on facebook this morning the sentence “I love that no one can punish better than our Lord!” talking about threatening her children with the idea that “Jesus watches you all the time” and that he’ll punish you if you misbehave.
I don’t have children so I might be out of my element here.
But the way I look at it is based out of how I felt being told as a child that Jesus was “always with me”.
My grandma told me that “Jesus lived in my heart”. and I screamed, and cried and begged her to get him out, because I was terrified of having a little tiny man living in my body. Of course the idea of that is ridiculous, but how scared I felt was very real. I couldn’t have been more than 4 years old when that happened, because my grandma was still living in Nashville, she moved away from the city when I was 5 years old. My family loves to tell that story as a joke whenever I am around.
Now, that was the nice sweet version of “Jesus is always with you”, and I was terrified. I cannot imagine how scary it must be for children to be threatened with eternal punishment. Not to mention the extreme amount of guilt that comes along with being told you are ~always being watched~ there are so many rules against everything. What if you do something wrong on accident? Which, as humans we tend to make mistakes. If Jesus is the ultimate punisher, won’t he be very strict?
Won’t that guilt and fear carry over into adulthood? (yes) Why should you be a good person because god is always watching? Why not be a good person because it’s the proper thing to do?
I’m no expert on parenting… but isn’t that just wrong? To scare your child like that?
I like to think that the way Lyzz and Chris parent Annabelle is a good starting point for “If you misbehave you will be punished.” Instead of teaching Belle that she is going to upset Jesus, they teach Belle that Mom and Dad will be very upset. That she has hurt Mom and Dad’s feelings. Belle will be legitimately upset if you tell her that she has hurt your feelings. She will cry and cry and cry like you spanked her (which they don’t have to do because she is sensitive enough to be upset at the idea of upsetting you.) She’ll even say “I’m sorry.” sometimes hug you. The point is that she is genuinely sorry. Not because she’ll burn for eternity but because she has hurt someone that she knows. Now of course sometimes the 3yr old “I don’t care attitude” comes along and that’s where harsher punishments are needed like taking something away, not doing something for her etc etc.
I’m just trying to process the idea that god is the ultimate punisher. Which I mean isn’t a new idea.. but the idea of applying that to your parenting… Blows my mind.
For “all the good” that religion does (which can be disputed. Another post for another time.) it sure does have to be very scary to be effective.
Tagging your porn with “catholic” or “pro-life” isn’t cute.. I mean really.
It’s not even the tastful stuff, it’s just down right nasty and trying to get a rise out of religious people.
I get that the Catholic church perpetrates some awfulness, also I can’t wrap my head around pro-lifeness. But you know, these people that believe these things HAVE A RIGHT TO. They also deserve some amount of mutual respect. If you want to point out fallacies in the church, do it. Tag it as “religion” or “Catholic”. If you want to post a pro-choice argument. Do it, and tag it accordingly. Do not post your nasty porn and tag it as “Catholic” and then laugh when people get offended. These people have a right to practice their religion. They have a right to post about their religion. They shouldn’t be mocked in this incredibly childish and offensive way. They shouldn’t be told to “get over” the nasty things that are popping up under their tag. The blogs that are posting and tagging these items should be reprimanded. Because it’s incredibly offensive, and frankly has nothing to do with Catholicism. Tumblr has done a bang up job (I think.) of preventing this type of thing from happening to other groups represented on here. Why aren’t they trying to clean up the Catholic tag?
PS. I’m super ok with porn being on tumblr, I just think it’s incredibly incredibly wrong that it is being tagged under things like “Pro Life” “Parenting”, “Children” and “Religion.” and allowed to stay on the tag. If you want to look at porn, that’s great. But trying to get people to accidentally stumble upon it because they track tags that have NOTHING to do with pornographic images, and then being an ass when they get upset…. That’s just uncalled for, disrespectful and rude.
Santorum, stick a sock in it. This schtick is disgusting. Rick, let’s be blunt. You’re a Republican Catholic. That’s a lot like a Roman Catholic—except that the political needs of the Republican Party call the ultimate shots instead of Rome. You do not represent “people of Judeo Christian faith.”
The smart person reasons with both sides of the coin on the chance there may or may not be heads or tails and makes an effort to compromise with the outcome of both sides of the coins entailing effects. This is how it is with God. See the atheists they say they know there is no God. It is more logical to assume there is one and live life fearing it while abiding by it’s moral code then to assume there is not one and be immoral. It’s like a fifty fifty shot. You can either accept there is a God and do what it wants or you can persist in the delusional science crap that it’s all numbers and logistics and that we have no purpose and then if the God does turn out to exist (which He does) then you get punished so all along you were being stupid and not smart like you thought you were.
This is called Pascal’s Wager. Also, how is the average atheist immoral? Besides the stuff about sex and alcohol that does not actually do anything to anyone besides the person doing it, we are morally exactly the same as religious people.
uh except it’s not a two-sided, god or no god coin, it’s a thousand sided “all these different gods” die, and you’re betting on one god and atheists are saying “fuck that I’m not rolling that die at all” and walking away.
Unless you’re saying that anyone who believes in any god in any way gets in to heaven, but I’m pretty sure most religions have some sort of rule against that.
You know, that whole “no other gods before me” thing.
Wait wait wait… stupid science crap.. you mean the thing that can actually be PROVEN?
Now listen here. Believing in god because you are scared of what happens when you die is not believing in god the way the bible teaches you to believe in god. That is just being to scared to face your own mortality, and the fact that after we die NOTHING HAPPENS. My mother in law tried to tell my husband to do the same thing and it is all I can do not to laugh at her when I think of that. You are believing in something because it benefits you. Not because you actually believe their is an omnipotent creator being that controls our lives, and grants us ever-lasting life in some magical place if we follow s/he / it’s rules.
Here’s the way I see it. I will be agnostic atheist (meaning, I don’t believe necessarily one way or the other there is or isn’t a god since I can’t prove either belief. But I am more inclined to believe there is no god.) I will be a nice person. I will help other people any way I can. I won’t despise someone simply for what they believe about anything -so long as it doesn’t infringe on my rights to believe what I want. I’ll love my husband, pay my taxes, take care of any children we have, help my neighbors, and read good books and learn about everything I can while I am alive. I will try to use my small life time to make a lasting impression of some sort on this earth, and when I die, I’ll see what happens. I won’t take the course of inaction because I think there is another life time waiting for me somewhere.
If there is a god, I highly doubt he will forsake a good person just because they didn’t say “Oh Lord Jesus I believe in you!” anymore than I think he’ll save a person who prays every night, goes to church every time the doors opens and then uses the Bible (or any holy book.) as an excuse to judge, ridicule, harm and persecute anyone.
Not all Christian’s are people who misuse their religion. Not all Atheist are immoral horrible people. Blanket statements are not cool.
The Treaty of Tripoli, signed 1797
Next time anyone tries to tell you the US was founded on anything remotely related to Christianity, just pull this out. Also, to give the date context, this was signed only ten years after the ratification of our Constitution, which also has no reference to Christianity or religious authority of any kind.