The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. These subtilised interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with the original text. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything ‘chosen’ about them.
In general I find it painful that you claim a privileged position and try to defend it by two walls of pride, an external one as a man and an internal one as a Jew. As a man you claim, so to speak, a dispensation from causality otherwise accepted, as a Jew the privilege of monotheism. But a limited causality is no longer a causality at all, as our wonderful Spinoza recognized with all incision, probably as the first one. And the animistic interpretations of the religions of nature are in principle not annulled by monopolization. With such walls we can only attain a certain self-deception, but our moral efforts are not furthered by them. On the contrary.
Now that I have quite openly stated our differences in intellectual convictions it is still clear to me that we are quite close to each other in essential things, i.e; in our evaluations of human behavior. What separates us are only intellectual ‘props’ and ‘rationalization’ in Freud’s language. Therefore I think that we would understand each other quite well if we talked about concrete things.
With friendly thanks and best wishes,
The smart person reasons with both sides of the coin on the chance there may or may not be heads or tails and makes an effort to compromise with the outcome of both sides of the coins entailing effects. This is how it is with God. See the atheists they say they know there is no God. It is more logical to assume there is one and live life fearing it while abiding by it’s moral code then to assume there is not one and be immoral. It’s like a fifty fifty shot. You can either accept there is a God and do what it wants or you can persist in the delusional science crap that it’s all numbers and logistics and that we have no purpose and then if the God does turn out to exist (which He does) then you get punished so all along you were being stupid and not smart like you thought you were.
This is called Pascal’s Wager. Also, how is the average atheist immoral? Besides the stuff about sex and alcohol that does not actually do anything to anyone besides the person doing it, we are morally exactly the same as religious people.
uh except it’s not a two-sided, god or no god coin, it’s a thousand sided “all these different gods” die, and you’re betting on one god and atheists are saying “fuck that I’m not rolling that die at all” and walking away.
Unless you’re saying that anyone who believes in any god in any way gets in to heaven, but I’m pretty sure most religions have some sort of rule against that.
You know, that whole “no other gods before me” thing.
Wait wait wait… stupid science crap.. you mean the thing that can actually be PROVEN?
Now listen here. Believing in god because you are scared of what happens when you die is not believing in god the way the bible teaches you to believe in god. That is just being to scared to face your own mortality, and the fact that after we die NOTHING HAPPENS. My mother in law tried to tell my husband to do the same thing and it is all I can do not to laugh at her when I think of that. You are believing in something because it benefits you. Not because you actually believe their is an omnipotent creator being that controls our lives, and grants us ever-lasting life in some magical place if we follow s/he / it’s rules.
Here’s the way I see it. I will be agnostic atheist (meaning, I don’t believe necessarily one way or the other there is or isn’t a god since I can’t prove either belief. But I am more inclined to believe there is no god.) I will be a nice person. I will help other people any way I can. I won’t despise someone simply for what they believe about anything -so long as it doesn’t infringe on my rights to believe what I want. I’ll love my husband, pay my taxes, take care of any children we have, help my neighbors, and read good books and learn about everything I can while I am alive. I will try to use my small life time to make a lasting impression of some sort on this earth, and when I die, I’ll see what happens. I won’t take the course of inaction because I think there is another life time waiting for me somewhere.
If there is a god, I highly doubt he will forsake a good person just because they didn’t say “Oh Lord Jesus I believe in you!” anymore than I think he’ll save a person who prays every night, goes to church every time the doors opens and then uses the Bible (or any holy book.) as an excuse to judge, ridicule, harm and persecute anyone.
Not all Christian’s are people who misuse their religion. Not all Atheist are immoral horrible people. Blanket statements are not cool.